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Topic: Ex Pats Voting in Country of Origin
Posted By: Citizen Eve
Subject: Ex Pats Voting in Country of Origin
Date Posted: 27áMayá2008 at 7:57am

This is an interesting debate ... share your thoughts fellow boardies ... I will be back with mine ... Wink ...

Do you think EX Pats should have the right to vote in their home country's election?

 Scott ... could you help to set up as a poll ... am no expert here ... thanks ...






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Posted By: p-lady
Date Posted: 27áMayá2008 at 5:46pm
Hmm...Nope.   Whether it is a national election, state, or local--Those who LIVE where the decisions are made and live with the consecquences should vote.  
 
I have ambiguous feelings here.  I still own property, visit regularly, and pay taxes  but have no vote because I live there no longer.  Sure, I'd like to get a say in how my taxes are spent and who runs that government--  But I live here now I want the same right here.
 
If one could vote everywhere they have lived or still own property, soon unscruptulous people would buy little pieces of every where.  What a travesty! It is not a perfect system and oft times seems unjust but one vote per person seems right ex-patriot or not.


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Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 27áMayá2008 at 10:08pm

Am really not sure ... especially when you think of the brain drain ... and I do understand the reasons in terms of post secondary education and employment opportunities overseas ... there must be a creative way to resolve those issues that we are not paying attention to ...

Logistically it would be very difficult ... but maybe not with our current computer technology ...
or is it fair to allow such a large and significant portion of the votes to come from citizens who do not live in the country and may have values very different than that of the locals to influence its society ...
this is seems would be an understandable concern ...

What about citizens who are abroad on a two-year working holiday visa or students and may have every intention of returning to the country ľ should they not have a say in the future of their homeland?

How in touch are those living abroad ľ especially those who have been away for more than five years ľ with the issues facing the Caribbean Nations.
Are they really equipped to vote?

Would granting Ex Pats the vote not help them to feel more involved and needed and thus in the long run encourage them to return home?

And as you pointed out p-lady ... does property ownership and tax contributions come with privileges ... it was the measure to vote in the past ...

What about inheritances for those who weren't even born there ...

We live in a global community now a days ... at some point these things will be an issue ... maybe the "one vote" solution is no longer relevant to the world we are now a part of ... especially when citizens are so transient ...

We have seen a lot of flexibility already with regards to pensions between nations ...

With strict guidelines in terms of amount of time spent in the homeland I would support the vote ... it would keep me more engaged I think ...





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Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 27áMayá2008 at 10:21pm
For most countries citizenship gives one the right to vote.
The US, UK, Japan and many countries in the EU and Middle East allow their ex pats to vote.
Iran and Egypt are among the many who permits Absentee Ballots.
Some allow absence of up to fifteen years.



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Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 11áJuneá2008 at 2:03pm
As i think more about it I think ex pats should be allowed to vote ... what do you guys think ... share your thoughts ... Wink ..



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Posted By: Rogerka
Date Posted: 12áJuneá2008 at 3:43am
I am not sure about my opinion... what is right and what is wrong... I think you could vote for the country where you live... but... (I said I am not sure).
Last election in 2006 we were in London with my mom. It was exactly that week. We have no right to vote when we were not at home. It was bad feeling. That election has changed our government (to worse...) and my co-worker used to tease me that it's due to my absence
...now my co-workers told me that if you have citizenship, you can vote in that country, even though you were not born there. And if you are living abroad but having your country's citizenship, you can vote at the consulate. For example my boss from Eritrea gained Slovak citizenship - he is able to vote here but not in the Eritrea.


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Posted By: vutjebal
Date Posted: 12áJuneá2008 at 4:18am
Roggy i am  agreed with you....but  myself   for the last few years  I don't like to vote because everywhere the  S O S    I can't vote for my country, i have to vote for the one where I am living now.

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Posted By: Rogerka
Date Posted: 12áJuneá2008 at 5:52am
So you want to vote for Arubian government?

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Posted By: Shucander
Date Posted: 12áJuneá2008 at 7:55am
Yes a citizen should have the right to vote in their home country's election?
Thanks to the Cristian Democratic Aruba party, Netherland Antilles and Aruba have the right to for the European Parliament.



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Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 12áJuneá2008 at 8:21am
Very progressive of your government Shuchander ... technology has made our world very small and our needs have change through the ages ... people are very mobile ...



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Posted By: Shucander
Date Posted: 13áJuneá2008 at 12:17am
Yeah

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Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 13áJuneá2008 at 7:21am
Wink ... 

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Posted By: vutjebal
Date Posted: 13áJuneá2008 at 11:10am
Originally posted by Rogerka

So you want to vote for Arubian government?
 yep...that is  my country  Wink


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Posted By: Shucander
Date Posted: 13áJuneá2008 at 9:40pm
Wil be great

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Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 12:49am
Are you registered V ...



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Posted By: vutjebal
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 9:37am
where CE-ky??  In Aruba  Nope,  but  here in the Netherlands Unhappy

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It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.


Posted By: Shucander
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 11:06am
In Aruba their citizen live outside the country can't vote in local elections.
But the AVP party in the European court win their case that all Netherlands
Caribbean live in the Dutch Caribbean can now vote for the European Parliament.


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I'm not afraid of storms, for I'm learning how to sail my ship.


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 4:46pm
I see ... thanks for updates ...



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Posted By: vutjebal
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 5:07pm
I think I'm not  intresting  in voting  anymore....every where is the S O S  so NOPES...have better things to do with my time..Silly.BTW...if things go wrong  I cant help   and If  things  go well  oops  It will goes well for me too Whistling

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Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 5:37pm
One vote could make a big difference V in the best choice ... Wink



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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: vutjebal
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 5:54pm
You know what CE-ky...everytime or  anytime I need help from them  they never  cant...so why voting then  for  the  richer and wealhtier get more  and more and me what?? Wink
correct me my thinking
 


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It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 5:59pm
The votes could get rid of the lackeys ... there is power in numbers and the democratic process ... trust me ... I see it working every day ...



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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: vutjebal
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 6:00pm
I always  thought the same CE-ky

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It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 6:13pm
So do not lose site of the possibilities ... Big%20smile



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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: vutjebal
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 6:27pm
okay CE-ky  I won't

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It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 6:28pm
Wink ... you've got the power ...



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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: vutjebal
Date Posted: 14áJuneá2008 at 6:32pm
what CE-ky  the power of LOVE HeartClown

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It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 29áJuneá2008 at 3:09am
Aruba is doing better than most of the Caribbean in that area I think ...
That too V ... love conquers all they say ... do you agree ... Big%20smile




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Posted By: vutjebal
Date Posted: 29áJuneá2008 at 4:15am
almost......not everything..maybe everytime...or visa versa...

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Posted By: Shucander
Date Posted: 29áJuneá2008 at 8:30am
C-E:....Aruba is doing better than most of the Caribbean........
 
That's correct Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles is doing better than the other Caribbean islands, it's because the Netherlands Kingdom. The other Caribbean island that's from the British and the French, they have not worry with this island in the Caribbean. Some of them they have give them their Independence, with out any long term help what so ever.


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Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 02áJaná2010 at 5:11pm
I'd like to see more of this happening ... tell us whats current ... 

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Posted By: vutjebal
Date Posted: 02áJaná2010 at 8:41pm
Keep login  everyday CE....and  you will notice more and  more  !!!

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Posted By: Scott
Date Posted: 03áJaná2010 at 9:23am
Originally posted by Citizen Eve


This is an interesting debate ... share your thoughts fellow boardies ... I will be back with mine ... Wink ...

Do you think EX Pats should have the right to vote in their home country's election?

This is a tough question, and I see both sides of the issue here.  On one hand, you do not want people who do not live somewhere to make decisions for the people who do live there.  On the other hand, governments can and do make laws that can severely affect ex-pats, such as taxation and immigration laws. 

I do think that expats should not be voting in local elections, because they are not effected by the laws, but the people who live there are.  People thousands of miles away may THINK they knows what is best, but in reality, its the people who live there who have their hand on the pulse of the community.  They should be deciding the fate of their community, not someone with no real stake in the outcome.

Originally posted by Citizen Eve


 Scott ... could you help to set up as a poll ... am no expert here ... thanks ...

Polls can only be created in certain forums by clicking on the NEW POLL button and filling out the form.  Unfortunately it is not easy to add a poll to a topic after it has been created.  I'll see what I can do though.


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Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 03áJaná2010 at 11:52am
Thanks Scott.
Its something we should be talking about more ... am especially interested in inheritance and land ownership ... as populations explode it will become more controversial especially for those with very little to start such as the islands ... its already happening actually ...


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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: sandra
Date Posted: 03áJaná2010 at 4:33pm
I don't think so. I live in the Virgin Islands and I would not go to Antigua to vote at election time. I'm not into politics, but if you've left your country, become a citizen of another country, I don't think you should return to your country of origin to participate as a voter in their election.

People in the VI hem and haw that VIslanders should vote in the Presidential election on the Mainland. Even though we are a territory of the U.S., I don't think it would be fair for us to participate in the voting. Example. This last election. If Virgin Islands could have voted, Obama would not have had to campaign hard. He'd have won the election by more than a landslide. Well, that's another topic altogether.



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Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 04áJaná2010 at 4:45am
Good point Sandy ... very complex issue ...

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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: sandra
Date Posted: 04áJaná2010 at 6:06am
Yeah,; very complex.

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I asked for all things so that I might enjoy life; I was given life so that I might enjoy all things


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 06áJaná2010 at 9:00pm
I'd really like to see some debate in the political arena ... it is very important ...

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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: sandra
Date Posted: 06áJaná2010 at 11:10pm
Well, in my neck of the woods, I'm not pleased with this administration. The governor is not doing a good job. He's wasting money. When he got in office, he spent half a million dollars installing security devices on his property. Imagine, the refuses to reside in Government House, instead, he's at his private residence. Most of the people who voted for him are so disappointed. I want him out, out, . Since he too office, he's just creating positions in government for his people, paying them high salaries, firing people who oppose him. I just can't stand that .   My blood pressure jumps sky high when I talk about that .

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I asked for all things so that I might enjoy life; I was given life so that I might enjoy all things


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 06áJaná2010 at 11:16pm
Could he be impeached ... or call a referendum ... and get his corrupt ass outta there ... seems like honesty is very difficult for our specie ... 

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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: sandra
Date Posted: 06áJaná2010 at 11:55pm
Impeached my behind. There was a governor who served two terms. From day one, the people were displeased with his performance. They called him Hitler reincarnated. You think those did anything about the situation? No! These people here are all talk and no action. The issues they should be concerned about are swept under a dirty rug. They make a big fuss about minor details. I think they're maschoists. Anyway his term will be up this election year. I'd rather vote for a dog than have that man back in office.

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I asked for all things so that I might enjoy life; I was given life so that I might enjoy all things


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 07áJaná2010 at 1:51am
You think thats bad ... In my province, the conservative party has been in power for thirty five years I think or close ... democracy is due for an overhaul seriously ... don'd think it could be effective without a strong opposition to keep things in balance ... and we talk about Iran ... same difference ... the corruption here is a lot more sophisticated so not as easy to catch ...

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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: sandra
Date Posted: 07áJaná2010 at 6:49am
Corruption here is like a red flag. Here, it's the Democratic Party in power. I'm a no-party person. If I had to chose, I'd be a Republican. The symbol for Democratic party is the donkey and that's how I classify them - as jackasses.

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I asked for all things so that I might enjoy life; I was given life so that I might enjoy all things


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 07áJaná2010 at 12:50pm
LOLLOL
LOL

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Posted By: sandra
Date Posted: 07áJaná2010 at 3:08pm
Democrats are weak people. They're followers, not leaders. I don't want people like that running a country I reside in.

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I asked for all things so that I might enjoy life; I was given life so that I might enjoy all things


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 08áJaná2010 at 4:36am
Strong words Sandy ... am always left of centre!!

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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: sandra
Date Posted: 08áJaná2010 at 5:57am
You bet your bottom pound, strong and true words. If there is going to be change, it must be change for the better, not just to line the pockets of those in power or to give the criminals free rein to commit the same crimes over and over. In other words, be fair. Punish wrong-doing, don't condone it. Don't sweep issues that are detrimental to the country under the rug, don't grease palms. Do the right thing. Be honest.

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I asked for all things so that I might enjoy life; I was given life so that I might enjoy all things


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 11áJaná2010 at 10:50pm
Couldn't disagree with that Sandy ... 

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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: sandra
Date Posted: 12áJaná2010 at 1:29am
I'm for truth and honesty and fairness, CE. When I don't see those values in people, especially our leaders, I go para.

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I asked for all things so that I might enjoy life; I was given life so that I might enjoy all things


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 12áJaná2010 at 1:39am
I hear you ... seems like it is getting less and less important in our lives ... a sad situation ... 

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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: vutjebal
Date Posted: 15áFebá2010 at 11:17pm
 I like to read your posts.... guys... brb...    Sprint

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It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 16áFebá2010 at 10:52am
We will be here V ... as always ... Wink

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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 16áOctá2010 at 5:10am
 ... so its voting time again ... so I'm off to do my civic duty on Monday ... 

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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 02áNová2010 at 12:32am
 ... so have you decided who you voting for Sandra ... man some dirty politics you americans are playing ... wow ... 

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"the time is always ripe to do right", Nelson Mandela.


Posted By: sandra
Date Posted: 02áNová2010 at 9:34am
I have my candidates down pat, CE. I just hope the one I want for the highest position wins. But I suspect that the people here love punishment. Even if they're dissastisfied with the present administration, they re-elect same.

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I asked for all things so that I might enjoy life; I was given life so that I might enjoy all things


Posted By: Citizen Eve
Date Posted: 02áNová2010 at 9:35pm
 ... well I hope you americans haven't created any more mess today ... Obama have enough @#$% to clean up already that they blaming him for when he wasn't even aroung ... @#$% ... people are so frigging short sighted its not funny ... 

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