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Quote Citizen Eve Replybullet Topic: Only in America does race define everythi
    Posted: 15 Dec 2007 at 12:28pm
What do you think guys?
What are you prepared to do about it as a human beings? Am amazed that it is not on the front pages of your newspapers or your CNN!
This is the twenty first century ... talk about slavery ended ... this is slavery.
Am really curious as to what black people are thinking?
That Obama isn't black enough ... @#$%ing petty I'd say.

Hi All.

At the recent NAACP Meeting, President Bush finally met with the  leaders and assured them that he would sign the right to vote bill for  another  25 years.

My only concern is: Do the other race have to be subjected to a right to  vote extension? Personally, the President, if he really wanted to show  Good faith, should have abolished this bill and made it simply a right  with  no limitations. But then maybe I am living in a dream world. However, I  know IT CAN BE DONE!! Voting Rights Act-Expires for blacks in 2007.


Below you will find a speech that Bill Cosby's wife gave at a function.  Everyone please read this and pass it on to as many African Americans  you come in contact with.

Camille Cosby just made a reference about the  Voting Rights Act in her most recent open letter on racism. This is  extremely  important. We are in the 21st Century and we were wondering, and when I  say 'we', I mean others of us out there who wonder if everyone else out  there knows what the significance of the year 2007 is to Black America?


Did you know that our right to VOTE will expire in the year 2007?

Seriously! The Voters Rights Act signed in 1965 by Lyndon B. Johnson was  just an ACT. It was not made a law.

In 1982, Ronald Reagan amended the Voters Rights Act for another 25  years. Which means that in the year 2007 we could lose the Right to vote!


Does anyone realize that African Americans are the only group of people  who require PERMISSION under the United States Constitution to vote!


In the year 2007, Congress will once again convene to decide whether or  not Blacks should retain the rights to vote (crazy but true).

In order for this to be passed, 38 states will have to approve an extension. This  is ludicrous! Not only should the extension be approved, but also the ACT  must be made a law.

Our right to vote should no longer be up for discussion, review and/or evaluation.


We must contact our Congress-persons, Senators, Alder persons, etc., to put a stop to this! As bona fide Citizens of the United States, we cannot "drop the ball" on this one! We have come too far to let government  make us take such a huge step backward. So please, let us push forward to continue to build the momentum towards gaining equality.


Please pass this onto others, as we are sure that many more individuals  are not aware of this. I urge all of you that are able, to contact those in government that have your vote and make them aware of our combined concern for this issue.

One voice!...... One Vote! You cannot complain, if you do not
participate.....local, State, & national.....


When I received this one I had no choice but to pass it on. Please do the same!



Edited by Citizen Eve - 15 Dec 2007 at 12:35pm
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Quote Duck Sauce Replybullet Posted: 15 Dec 2007 at 11:29pm
Originally posted by Citizen Eve


At the recent NAACP Meeting, President Bush finally met with the  leaders and assured them that he would sign the right to vote bill for  another  25 years.

My only concern is: Do the other race have to be subjected to a right to  vote extension? Personally, the President, if he really wanted to show  Good faith, should have abolished this bill and made it simply a right  with  no limitations. But then maybe I am living in a dream world. However, I  know IT CAN BE DONE!! Voting Rights Act-Expires for blacks in 2007.


Below you will find a speech that Bill Cosby's wife gave at a function.  Everyone please read this and pass it on to as many African Americans  you come in contact with.

Camille Cosby just made a reference about the  Voting Rights Act in her most recent open letter on racism. This is  extremely  important. We are in the 21st Century and we were wondering, and when I  say 'we', I mean others of us out there who wonder if everyone else out  there knows what the significance of the year 2007 is to Black America?


Did you know that our right to VOTE will expire in the year 2007?

Seriously! The Voters Rights Act signed in 1965 by Lyndon B. Johnson was  just an ACT. It was not made a law.

In 1982, Ronald Reagan amended the Voters Rights Act for another 25  years. Which means that in the year 2007 we could lose the Right to vote!


Does anyone realize that African Americans are the only group of people  who require PERMISSION under the United States Constitution to vote!


In the year 2007, Congress will once again convene to decide whether or  not Blacks should retain the rights to vote (crazy but true).

In order for this to be passed, 38 states will have to approve an extension. This  is ludicrous! Not only should the extension be approved, but also the ACT  must be made a law.


Here is a link with more accurate information.  Much of the information you quoted above is inaccurate and misleading.  It is being spread around to increase racial tensions and hatred, and actually contains misinformation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act

Example:  An Act IS a law.   In fact,  almost ALL federal laws have the world "Act" in their title.  So the statement that the Voter Rights Act is not a law is factually incorrect.

Also, no one's right to vote is expiring in 2007, EVEN IF the Voter Rights Act of 1965 were to expire.  If you actually read what the Voter Rights Act does, it makes sure that states that were violating the voting rights of Blacks give Blacks equal access to voting.  Once these states comply and give equal voting rights to Blacks (which they have done), this law is actually unnecessary.

Most, if not all, state guarantee the rights of all of their citizens to vote, regardless of race.  The Voter Rights Act of 1965 is actually unnecessary, since the states now guarantee equal rights and prohibit discrimination themselves.

The right of Blacks to vote is guaranteed in the constitution's amendments.  This law expiring does not change that.  Saying that Black's rights to vote will expire is factually incorrect.

Be careful what you forward to other people.  Doing a little research reveals that this e-mail is not worth forwarding.
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Quote Citizen Eve Replybullet Posted: 16 Dec 2007 at 4:52am
I stand corrected.
Why was there a Voters Right Act of 1965 to begin with Duck Sauce when it was not necessary? I do not understand. enlighten me.
Do you think that the US does not have a problem with race?
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Quote caymanian Replybullet Posted: 16 Dec 2007 at 8:25am

Citizen Eve,

This is just my observance, but you are the one who seem to have a problem with race, as the great grand son of a slave from Cuba I know what I am, and I do know about the ignorance of others. I never discuss "Race" I just do what I have to do. I find Americans love to talk about race and quite a few West Indians get caught up in it.

Because of my so call “race” I don’t have to act a certain way or isolate myself. As I have seen living in USA for over thirty odd years and was an active member of the Civil Rights in the sixties. I also find if you go looking for racism it will be every where to see. Racism is a natural thing; acting on it is where it goes wrong.

I remember when Bill Cosby was not black enough because No black man live that good as was portrayed in his weekly’s shows. But I must say that you are correct when you say in America Race seem to be a great issue. Seeing that in the Caribbean nearly every one has a Chinese, white or Indian relative. So please not let the Disease of racism enter our little haven. Hate can hold you back to the point you are unable to use your full potential.

 

 



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Quote Scott Replybullet Posted: 16 Dec 2007 at 12:35pm
I agree.  Too many people get all worried about race.  I think the younger American non-Black generations are much less racist than their parents were.  Times have changed yet some people do not wish to see the change... or they focus on what is bad, and refuse to acknowledge the good that has been and continues to be done.

To illustrate Caymanian's point, I see this all the time:  A West Indian Black comes to the United States as an immigrant and becomes very successful in business or in their career.  Meanwhile, many American Blacks are in the ghetto blaming whites for their problems, staying in poverty.

I think that is why Black Immigrants to the U.S. are statistically more successful than Blacks born in the United States.  They aren't stuck with this disease called racism.  They go out there and make things happen regardless of the color of people's skin.

It's all in the mind.  And I would have to agree that racism definitely is a disease that we must get rid of.  And contrary to popular belief, Whites are not the only race capable of racism, or racialism as one of our members insists.
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Quote Duck Sauce Replybullet Posted: 16 Dec 2007 at 2:13pm
Only certain amendments* of that law are up for periodic review.  Not the whole law.  The ban on poll taxes and literacy tests is permanent.

The amendements up for renewal only apply to states that have literacy tests (or other similar devices) where less than 50% of minority groups were not registered to vote, which only applied to about 9 states who used to have literacy tests (which none of them still do).  The amendments in question does not even apply to the whole United States.

Literary tests and other similar prohibited practices have long disappeared, and all this particular law does is add extra bureaucracy.  Besides, like I said, the ban on poll taxes and literacy tests is permanent.  The renewal or non-renewable of these amendments does not change that.

All the amendments in question do is force those 9 states to get approval for any changes to their election laws.  It does not actually protect Black's rights to vote.  Those are all covered in other laws and constitutional provisions not at risk here.

(*Note, these are amendments to the Voting Rights Act, not amendments to the Consititution.)
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Quote Citizen Eve Replybullet Posted: 16 Dec 2007 at 2:17pm
I strongly believe that racism is a terrible thing and that we should not be defining who we are as a people by the color of our skin.
Further by directing so much energy to racism only expands on it, but at the same time we have a responsibility to correct wrongs being done in our communities.
I agree too that attitude is an important factor in the dynamics of success and that our different experiences impact the outcomes such as we see with Caribbean and American blacks.
At no time do I think that whites are the only one capable of racism ... and yes I do have a problem with racism and is actively working on its elimination. I could never imagine that discriminating against someone could be a natural thing ... from what I see it deprives some of reaching their full potential as citizens and every one suffers in the longterm.
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Quote Duck Sauce Replybullet Posted: 16 Dec 2007 at 2:21pm
I figured you believe like we do.  You would not be upset at injustices if you were not.

But that e-mail you were sent... factually wrong.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

We do have race issues still today.  But spending energy on imaginary threats is a waste of time and energy.


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Quote Citizen Eve Replybullet Posted: 16 Dec 2007 at 2:28pm
I intentionally destroyed my ego at 15, so no bubble to destroy my friend.
I do not understand how you would call an act a bubble.
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Quote Duck Sauce Replybullet Posted: 16 Dec 2007 at 2:39pm
Just a phrase.  Not even sure what it means exactly.

Sounds neat though.   *pop*

I guess what I meant is that people (all people) live in their own little worlds, kinda like being in their own personal bubble.  Anything outside the bubble is either foreign or unknown or "not true."

So I guess bursting the bubble would mean destroying one's "reality" about a particular subject.  Inside the bubble is limited information.  Outside the bubble is the rest of the world.  Bursting the bubble would result in a flood of the world into where the bubble use to be.

Since we all have limited information, we all have our own personal bubbles, that sometimes we keep intact and sometimes get busted.

So that is what I think I meant.

I'm digging a hole here, aren't I?
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