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Quote ilam96 Replybullet Posted: 25 Dec 2006 at 12:51pm
ok the reason i said u need to learn your bible inside out, was bcoz Isaac was born to Abraham, and it was him God asked to sacrifice his son, and it has nothing to do with the sacrifice of Christ bcoz Abraham's sacrifice did not go thru, for God stopped him before Isaac was killed. What was important, was Abraham's faith in God, as was important in the crucifiction of Christ...our faith in God and his son.
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Quote frankster Replybullet Posted: 26 Dec 2006 at 7:20pm
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ok the reason i said u need to learn your bible inside out, was bcoz Isaac was born to Abraham, and it was him God asked to sacrifice his son, and it has nothing to do with the sacrifice of Christ bcoz Abraham's sacrifice did not go thru, for God stopped him before Isaac was killed. What was important, was Abraham's faith in God, as was important in the crucifiction of Christ...our faith in God and his son.


Thats precisely my point , Would you kill your child because God told you to ?
What Abraham showed was blind faith and in my mind he failed the test that God was Giveing him . It prove his willingness to practice child sacrifice a most dispicable  act .  Abraham Sacrifice did not go thru because the Angel stopped him , not due to his own efforts . The willingness to destroy human life for God is horrible .

The type of faith Abraham displayed is wicked and reprehensible , to be willing to destroy your own child who is innocent and blameless shows a cruel if not psychotic state of mind .
Only Tyrants and despots demand blind faith . It is my understanding that God wants  LOVE


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Quote ilam96 Replybullet Posted: 27 Dec 2006 at 9:42am
you are placing too much emphasis on something that never happened my dear, as to having faith...our creator is a very selfish God who will not share us with no one, not even the ones we bring forth to this earth, but if u think about it for a bit, without Him we would not be able to bring forth life to earth, so he has every right to pose and dispose of anything He created...i mean, after all, you would too if you were in his position, but alas, none of us are.
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Quote frankster Replybullet Posted: 27 Dec 2006 at 5:28pm
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you are placing too much emphasis on something that never happened my dear
 
People are put away for a very long time for such things "that never happen" and rightly so . What it proves is that the mind of Abraham may have been depraved . Anyways it has happened at many other time that the innocent have been put to death on the allege say so of God .
 
 
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as to having faith...our creator is a very selfish God who will not share us with no one, not even the ones we bring forth to this earth,
 
And you believe that such a God is LOVE , when since is selfishness a virtue ? I still see it as a vice . This is what happens when you worship a Cruel God , you confuse good with evil . 
 
 
but if u think about it for a bit, without Him we would not be able to bring forth life to earth, so he has every right to pose and dispose of anything He created...
 
So because I am able to father kids it is in my right to dispose of them , or do with them as I see fit ?
I should hope That God is more than the tyrannical despot you are making him or her out to be .
 
i mean, after all, you would too if you were in his position, but alas, none of us are.
 
Speak for yourself , I have no urge to kill innocent human beings or even the guilty for that matter


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Quote vutjebal Replybullet Posted: 27 Dec 2006 at 5:35pm
I think I am lost in this discussion...or...Topic....Confused
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Quote frankster Replybullet Posted: 27 Dec 2006 at 5:38pm
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You also have to consider something else.  How do we know what is a command of God and what is not?  After all, many men have tried to interpret and understand what God intends and wants.
 
Are you calling into question the veracity of the bible ?
 
And here is an interesting thing to consider if you are talking Christianity here:  Jesus, the son of God, was quoted in the Bible, but never wrote anything in the Bible.  So even if He was/is the Son of God, every section was written by man based on the history and culture of the time, which happened to include the practice of human sacrifice.  That means that every section of the Bible is subject to man's interpretation of God. 
 
God himself wrote nothing in the bible , and in almost all things God uses the agency of man to carry out his wishes .
Yes it is all up to man intrepretation as he is Gods agent . 
 
If the Bible were written today, it would still have the same message from God preaching love and peace and how to live a better life, but would sound different because of a different culture and history, yet the truths would remain the same.
 
How can you be so sure after having called in to question the accuracy and authenticity of bible , on what now do you base these assertions of what Gods message would or will be ?
 
 
And if you look at other religions, and boil away the history, the culture, the characters, you will find that all religions teach the same things.  To me, that is proof that there must be a God.
 
Or that man is a moral being .
 
In the end, you have to follow your heart and grow your spirituality and in doing so you will get closer to God.
 
With this I have no argument .


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Quote frankster Replybullet Posted: 27 Dec 2006 at 5:39pm
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I think I am lost in this discussion...or...Topic....Confused
 
reread the first post .
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Quote frankster Replybullet Posted: 27 Dec 2006 at 5:41pm
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you should really learn your bible inside and out before coming down hard on your creator, esp. for stuff that happened many many moons ago and which pro'lly won't happen again, and definitely not happening to you. the question you should be asking is to yourself, whether or not YOU would do it. peace bro Wink
 
I would not do it !
 
WOULD YOU ?
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Quote WIsTex42 Replybullet Posted: 27 Dec 2006 at 5:47pm
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And you believe that such a God is LOVE , when since is selfishness a virtue ? I still see it as a vice . This is what happens when you worship a Cruel God , you confuse good with evil . 

Do not confuse God with man's explanation, interpretation or (mis)understanding of God.

Many bad things have been done in God's name and I seriously doubt God would approve.

God is love. I don't care what any book tells me, even if it is a holy book or not.
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Quote vutjebal Replybullet Posted: 27 Dec 2006 at 5:48pm
Frankster..sorry,  There is such of hate in you and I don't know what have happen in your live or who did something to you, but it must be  something big and horrible that became in such a HATE..Oh%20My
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