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Duck Sauce says:

I think most people do not understand what they read in the Bible.  I think that we often totally misunderstand what Jesus was actually saying.  I read what Jesus taught and often can't figure out how some Christians came up with the interpretations they do! 

Posted on 23 July 2004 at 5:05pm | View Post in Forum

creol_buay says:

One quick question, do you guys actually understand what you read in the bible?

In the bible there is nothig that states that Jesus made new laws.  He brought a new perspective into things.  Remeber he died for our sins so we did not have to live as they did befor: Making sacrifices and all that stuff.  You are responsible for what you do.. Hence the reason for the ten commandments.  The rules in leviticus still stand.  An eye for and eye is not anymore you should turn the other cheek.

Remember, "there is no other way to the kingdom of my father but through me"

How can you stand there ad say that we must forgie each other for us to be saved.  This only stands from the note to love each other and let evil be done with. Remeber your "our Father prayer... Forgive us as we forgive those who trespass against us"  and "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brother, that you do unto me"

This is somewhat like the discussio about eating Pork meat.  In leviticus it states you should not eat pork meat because it is unclean, in the ew testament and I forget what book but I can get it and post it later, it states that peter had a dream of God telling him he shold eat till he is full from the masses of unclean animals. Remeber that in tose time things were written as prables and a dream was a vision to somethig else.

The reason God made Eve was to be Adam's companion and wife, he did not make Joseph or John or any other male for this purpose.

As an additional note, do not live by the old testamet only. Both testament trive off the other. Revelations needs Daniel to be understood as well as the other books.  Eg. The beast (666) and how to tell about the end times in revelation .  In daniel when he talks about the king's dream, he explains the entire time line of the times until the end.

I will do more research on this and get back to you all.

Bet you never looked at it this way before...



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Posted on 22 July 2004 at 8:59am | View Post in Forum

Duck Sauce says:

Originally posted by coviepresb

Originally posted by world42

Yeah, but that's from the Old Testament.  I thought Jesus created a new law that replaced the old laws such as an eye for an eye.  Instead of an eye for an eye, turn the other cheek, etc. 

Where in the New Testament does it say anything about being Gay?

Christ only abrogated the ceremonial part of the Law.  Christ did not abrogate the moral part of the Law since sin in the New Testament is defined as "transgression against the Law".  Where in the New Testament does it say that homosexuality is a sin? 

Romans 1:24-27 "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1.Cor. 6:9-10

It sounds to me that he has a problem with lustful sex, not with homosexuality.  I think he is saying that sex is meant for love and marriage, not for lust.  Sex is supposed to be an expression of love and creation, not simply for self-pleasure.  I think that is what he has a problem with.

Posted on 19 July 2004 at 12:28am | View Post in Forum

coviepresb says:

Originally posted by world42

Yeah, but that's from the Old Testament.  I thought Jesus created a new law that replaced the old laws such as an eye for an eye.  Instead of an eye for an eye, turn the other cheek, etc. 

Where in the New Testament does it say anything about being Gay?

Christ only abrogated the ceremonial part of the Law.  Christ did not abrogate the moral part of the Law since sin in the New Testament is defined as "transgression against the Law".  Where in the New Testament does it say that homosexuality is a sin? 

Romans 1:24-27 "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1.Cor. 6:9-10

In answer to your other question about a person being homosexual or bisexual and having accepted Christ as their savior.  Christ has died and reconciled them to God.  In 1.Cor. 6:9 and other places in the NT, the unrighteous (i.e, the Reprobate) whose hearts are unrepentant will go to Hell and the righteous (i.e, the Elect) will go to Heaven.  That is not to say that Christ supports unrepentant homosexuality or bisexuality.


 

 

Posted on 18 July 2004 at 9:59pm | View Post in Forum

Duck Sauce says:

I don't know.  I've never counted.

Posted on 25 Nov 2003 at 11:38pm | View Post in Forum

geek_row says:

Unfortunately, some people lead what we consider "very shoddy lives", There are countries out there where no one has ever heard of Jesus or the scriptures. They don't know any better or are uninformed of what has been going on outside of there "little worlds". Some people are informed and simply do not acknowledge the words of GOD, like the person or persons in Montgomerey county trying to remove the 10 commandments. How much time do you have on your hands?

Posted on 25 Nov 2003 at 11:25pm | View Post in Forum

world42 says:

He's just kidding, right?

Posted on 25 Nov 2003 at 7:34pm | View Post in Forum

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Posted on 23 Oct 2003 at 12:47am | View Post in Forum

Hairy_Plotter says:

I had a tender moment like that . . . . . once. When I was in the Army and they sent me over there you could see the desolation and despiration in those poor people's face's . . . . but then my Sergeant told me something I would never forget . . . Something that rang all the way down to the core . . . He said to me    "Kill 'em all - Let God sort 'em out!!!!!"  I emptied my clip like I never emptied it before - and I'm a better man for it!!!!

Posted on 23 Oct 2003 at 12:24am | View Post in Forum

geek_row says:

Very insightful speech - If I didn't believe before I came here - I do now. It makes you want to be a part of it all !!!

Posted on 23 Oct 2003 at 12:01am | View Post in Forum

Duck Sauce says:

Originally posted by geek_row

Forgiving someone can add 2.5 years to your life. Medical Fact.

I believe it.  Sin causes death.  And not forgiving someone is a sin, and therefore it would make you die sooner.

I think that the less sins you have, the longer you will live because every sin you have shortens your life.  And certain sins invite in certain diseases as well, also shortening your life. 

I find it interesting that many people in the Bible lived hundreds of years, yet we typically live less than 100.  I also find it interesting that we, as a people, have in general become a more gentle people, less brutal and judgemental than generations before, and we are starting to live longer as well.

I think the younger generations are more open, and less ridged, and more forgiving and loving than previous generations.  Some older people I know would even disown their son or daughter if they did something they considered really bad.  Now, even if you hate what your son or daughter did, you still love them, as I think God intended.

I am not surprised that people are living longer.  We are a much more forgiving people than we were even 100 years ago.

Posted on 22 Oct 2003 at 8:22pm | View Post in Forum

geek_row says:

Forgiving someone can add 2.5 years to your life. Medical Fact.

Yea, Thats pretty crazy how we had different people in different parts of the Earth with the same idea, That GOD does exist. Even 5 thousand years ago people were worshipping GOD in Egypt and South America on different continents. So who do you think built the pyramids or the faces on Easter Island ? What does it all mean ? Do you think someone or thing of a Higher Intellegence gave the natives instructions on how to build those things ?

Posted on 21 Oct 2003 at 11:54pm | View Post in Forum

Duck Sauce says:

Originally posted by geek_row

Back to answering your question ; Jesus told his Disciples after he left his Tomb, "If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; If you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."  John 20:23

Jesus doesn't say "I" forgive - He said "If YOU forgive . . . "   It almost sounds like WE are the one's who must forgive each other or WE are not forgiven.

That is an interesting thing to note.  For many people, forgiving someone is one of the hardest things they could ever do. 

And the ironic thing is that not forgiving someone else is actually more harmful to the person who refuses to forgive than it is to the person to be forgiven.  Holding in all that pain is not healthy.  Letting it go by forgiving actually helps one heal.

And how easy is it to love someone when you cannot forgive them?  I think you can't realistically love them and not forgive them at the same time.  I think God wants up to love each other, and forgiving others is part of what we need to do.  The more love we have towards others and towards Him, the closer we are to Him.  The more we hold in hate and anger and withhold forgiveness, the farther away we are from God too.

It makes sense that we need to forgive others.  If we don't forgive others, we are not loving others.  And God loves us and wants us to love each other.

Originally posted by geek_row

And for the sake of the wise guy . . . .     John 20:29 Then Jesus told him," Because you have seen me, you believe: Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

I never believed in God until I started to study different religions.  Once I was exposed to different religions, I discovered something surprising.  When you boil down every single major religion (and even many minor ones), no matter what it is based on, they all have the same core, the same purpose... to promote love and good will and help people grow spiritually and get closer to God and the universe.  And the startling part of it is that many of the religions did not even know the other existed when they were first developed.  So that discounts them influencing each other.  They all are based on the same core even though they originally didn't talk to each other.  If that is the case, then there must be a God and there must be something fundamental that we as a people need to explore in the area of spirituality.  There is more than mets the eye.

So that's how I figured out there was a God.  I never believed the preacher and definately didn't believe some book they showed me.  But I did believe once I started looking around the world and talking to people and learning.  I used to say "How do we know there is a God?"  Now I say instead "how can there not be a God?"

Posted on 21 Oct 2003 at 4:29am | View Post in Forum

geek_row says:

Back to answering your question ; Jesus told his Disciples after he left his Tomb, "If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; If you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."  John 20:23

Jesus doesn't say "I" forgive - He said "If YOU forgive . . . "   It almost sounds like WE are the one's who must forgive each other or WE are not forgiven.

And for the sake of the wise guy . . . .     John 20:29 Then Jesus told him," Because you have seen me, you believe: Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Posted on 15 Oct 2003 at 5:07am | View Post in Forum

world42 says:

Originally posted by Hairy_Plotter

Do you see GOD ? Well if he ain't here it don't matter then, right?

I hope God has a sense of humor.  Just in case, I am NOT going to stand next to you any time soon.

* stands very far away and looks to the sky for a lightening bolt *

Posted on 15 Oct 2003 at 4:28am | View Post in Forum

Hairy_Plotter says:

Do you see GOD ? Well if he ain't here it don't matter then, right?

Posted on 15 Oct 2003 at 4:11am | View Post in Forum

world42 says:

Originally posted by geek_row

Corinthians 6:9   Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the Kingdom of GOD ? Do not be decieved:Niether the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulters nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.
So, how can this be true AND Jesus's statement that if you believe in him, you will be saved and your sins will be wiped away?

There are many people who are gay AND have accepted Jesus as their personal lord and savior. 

So which is it?  Do you sins get washed away or are you permanently banned from heaven?  These statements in the Bible conflict.

Posted on 14 Oct 2003 at 12:34pm | View Post in Forum

trinid says:

Excellent response.  I think you got it right one.  No matter how we try to accept, no matter how much we may want to accept.  The act is against all that is normal.  And yes we need to reject the act, but be caring to the people, because we can be genuinely wrong.

Posted on 14 Oct 2003 at 12:23pm | View Post in Forum

geek_row says:

Corinthians 6:9   Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the Kingdom of GOD ? Do not be decieved:Niether the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulters nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.

Posted on 10 Oct 2003 at 12:36am | View Post in Forum

world42 says:

You know what I mean.  Where does it say in the New Testament anything about "a man laying with a man as one lays with a woman" or other wording that conveys the same meaning as "gay" or a man having sex with another man?

Posted on 09 Oct 2003 at 6:42am | View Post in Forum

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